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« on: September 03, 2011, 05:24:06 PM » |
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We began taking pictures at Tradition Pkwy and Village, which goes through the proposed CRA.
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« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2011, 05:25:25 PM » |
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« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2011, 05:26:24 PM » |
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passing Torrey Pines and VGTI
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« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2011, 05:27:24 PM » |
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« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2011, 05:28:23 PM » |
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« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2011, 05:29:54 PM » |
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FINALLY, our very first dilapitated building! Wait for the cows now.
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« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2011, 05:30:55 PM » |
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« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2011, 05:32:10 PM » |
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Cows!!!
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« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2011, 05:33:18 PM » |
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Cow was so pretty, I had to take his picture twice!
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« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2011, 05:34:30 PM » |
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« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2011, 05:36:25 PM » |
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Go east on Becker to the overpass and took a few birdseye views of nothing - NOTHING - but groves.
The one building that is close to the interchange is far from dilapitated.
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« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2011, 05:37:34 PM » |
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looking north - then heading north. I had so much fun I had to do it again.
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« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2011, 05:38:36 PM » |
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Heading northbound. Thought we'd check out VGTI.
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« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2011, 05:40:24 PM » |
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VGTI.
Notice the tower alongside of I-95? I wonder if they consider that dilapitated too....
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« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2011, 05:43:33 PM » |
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Pretty darned evident to us that this SHOULD NOT BE INCLUDED IN ANY CRA.
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« Reply #15 on: September 03, 2011, 05:59:28 PM » |
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*BUMP*
This should be up near the top so others can "see" what we saw.
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« Reply #16 on: September 03, 2011, 06:04:12 PM » |
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Pretty darned evident to us that this SHOULD NOT BE INCLUDED IN ANY CRA.
Oh, come on. Those Palms look pretty run down and the old Orange trees look blighted. 
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« Reply #17 on: September 03, 2011, 06:16:05 PM » |
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Economic Development Administration??????????????? Oh my achin ass! It's guesstimated that 20 million are gobment employees, state and fed, I wonder how many thousands are in this office and how many offices do they soak us for? DAMMIT!!!! Enough already!
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« Reply #18 on: September 03, 2011, 06:49:26 PM » |
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Come on Kerry!  I didn't think the VGTI had any federal funding. I know that DD2 got Build America Bonds and Economic Recovery Bonds. I just wonder how much that darned sign cost us!
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« Reply #19 on: September 03, 2011, 06:54:24 PM » |
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IT'S NOT GOBMENT'S JOB!!!!!! 
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« Reply #20 on: September 03, 2011, 07:26:06 PM » |
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IT'S NOT GOBMENT'S JOB!!!!!!  Try telling that to our City Council. They need to hear that it is NOT the City's job to bail out these wishful thinking "construction engineers." (I was told I didn't like developers, that's why I oppose this CRA district. Not true. I don't like "construction engineers" either.) lol
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« Reply #21 on: September 03, 2011, 07:30:51 PM » |
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It has been demonstrated, to my satisfaction, that the more government interferes with the free market during a recession, the longer we tend to be IN that recession. The ones in the past where the government basically did nothing were relatively brief, compared to those where they manipulated jobs, payrolls, projects, the money supply, the tax rates, and the business rules and regulations.
There's a lot of anxious capital sitting on the sidelines, waiting, because investors don't know what the rules of the market are this week, this month. Quit fiddling with the market, let it be what it is, and it will become what it is going to be. Outside interference just roils the water and stretches out the waiting period.
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« Reply #22 on: September 03, 2011, 07:32:04 PM » |
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Sorry Greg, the area clearly DOES NOT fit the criteria for a CRA.
The roadway is not deteriorating, the sidewalks are not deteriorating, the streetlights are not deteriorating, the traffic lights and masts are not deteriorating. There is no grass growing in the streets. Your crap of "use it or lose it" doesn't fly!
There is NOTHING beyond the construction sites of Torrey Pines, VGTI but barren land. The land consists of overgrown pasture, overgrown groves, wetland, swamp land and trees. There were some cattle amongst the groves. Other than that, there is absolutely NOTHING in the area.
The area definitely DOES NOT fit the criteria of a CRA.
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« Reply #23 on: September 03, 2011, 08:59:53 PM » |
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Let's not jump to conclusions shall we? Those lawns the cows are forced to live on are NOT, I repeat, NOT cut and trimmed. I see no weed whacking around any of the fence posts or scrub trees. What a ghetto! They deserve "pretty and lovely" as well. I don't care how many millions we need to borrow, get the guats out there and beautify it! SHEESH! How can we allow this to happen? THIS IS AMERICA FOR GODS SAKE!!! 
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Let's not jump to conclusions shall we? Those lawns the cows are forced to live on are NOT, I repeat, NOT cut and trimmed. I see no weed whacking around any of the fence posts or scrub trees. What a ghetto! They deserve "pretty and lovely" as well. I don't care how many millions we need to borrow, get the guats out there and beautify it! SHEESH! How can we allow this to happen? THIS IS AMERICA FOR GODS SAKE!!!  Where is code enforcement?
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« Reply #25 on: September 03, 2011, 09:30:41 PM » |
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I guess "blight" is in the eye of the beholder.
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« Reply #26 on: September 04, 2011, 06:54:08 PM » |
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It does not fit the criteria for a CRA since there is no development in need of redevelopment.
But it does fit the criteria of a failed vision, the same vision Ms Berger is still taking credit for.
The lens crafter needs a second opinion, other than fellow lens crafter Hank Fishkind.
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« Reply #27 on: September 04, 2011, 08:08:02 PM » |
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It's sad to realize just how small a person she really is. A person of good character does NOT need to feel special nor do they need to pretend to be a wealthy person who lives within a "boca" vision. The position apparently alters a weak persons view of life. The laws and rules are written for a reason but that reason has become ignored. The courts have allowed lawyers and local officials  to twist the intent and it's across the entire legal system in our country and this is simply another case of "legalized" corruption.
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« Reply #28 on: September 04, 2011, 08:16:52 PM » |
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Is this what you mean by "twisting" the intent to suit them? I wonder where they intend on putting the low to moderate housing? We've been looking to try and find where they designated this in the new plans, and there don't seem to be any. Maybe the apartments will qualify? I just find it extremely odd that STAFF left off certain wording within the Resolution and neglected to include these same very words within the Findings of Necessity report as required. Specifically STAFF eludes to Statute 163.355 within the Findings Report and then leaves out what doesn't suit them or the project? http://leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0100-0199/0163/Sections/0163.355.html 163.355 Finding of necessity by county or municipality.— No (city) county or municipality shall exercise the community redevelopment authority conferred by this part until after the governing body has adopted (without adopting) a resolution, supported by data and analysis, which makes a legislative finding that the conditions in the area meet the criteria described in s. 163.340(7) or (8). The resolution must state that: (1) One or more slum or blighted areas, or one or more areas in which there is a shortage of housing affordable to residents of low or moderate income, including the elderly, exist in such county or municipality; and (2) The rehabilitation, conservation, or redevelopment, or a combination thereof, of such area or areas, including, if appropriate, the development of housing which residents of low or moderate income, including the elderly, can afford, is necessary in the interest of the public health, safety, morals,or welfare of the residents of (the City of Port St. Lucie, Florida.) such county or municipality. History.—s. 6, ch. 69-305; s. 4, ch. 84-356; s. 4, ch. 94-236; s. 3, ch. 2002-294. The UNDERLINED words are the ones within the Findings Report and within the Resolution. Words within brackets were added by the city. On page 4 and 5 of the Findings of Necessity Report, STAFF presented: "Pursuant to Section 163.355, Florida Statutes, entitled "Finding of necessity...", no city shall exercise community redevelopment authority without adopting a resolution "supported by data and analysis, which makes a legislative finding that the conditions in the area meet the criteria described in Section 163.340(7) or (8)." The wording about housing for low to moderated income, including the elderly, is no where to be found within the Resolution. Then there are those 2 little words "if appropriate." Maybe it is not appropriate within Southern Grove to have low to moderate income housing? I do know this, the Statute is very clear that "THE RESOLUTION MUST STATE THAT: (1), (2)" I read that as a requirement of the Statute, both paragrahs (1) and (2) "the language" MUST be within the Resolution. So why isn't it contained within the Resolution and the Findings of Necessity report? And then Orr signs off as "APPROVED AS TO FORM:" This whole thing just ticks me off because it DOES NOT MEET THE CRITERIA FOR A CRA.
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« Reply #29 on: September 04, 2011, 08:33:18 PM » |
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I know in advance that common sense doesn't seem to count anymore, but one common sense definition of a CRA would be an area where rehabilitation or redevelopment is necessary because the area is undesirable, and that said rehabilitation or redevelopment would make the area MORE desirable.
Southern Groves is not undesirable, it is simply a stalled area because of the recession. Welcome to the rest of the community, and the rest of Florida. Now, get in line and wait for your shot at success.
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« Reply #30 on: September 04, 2011, 09:20:16 PM » |
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Two things will verify my thoughts on Michelle and the rest. First do they tip well? And second is what we've been unable to prove, people like those I've described also LIKE freebees which makes corruption possible.
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« Reply #33 on: September 05, 2011, 09:39:46 AM » |
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« Reply #34 on: September 05, 2011, 12:42:09 PM » |
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Excerpt from Resolution 11-R50
NOW THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA AS FOLLOWS:
Section 1. Findings. The CIty Council does hereby find:
(a) Based upon the data analysis presented to and considered by the City Council, the following conditions exist within the Area:
1. Aggregate assessed values of real property in the area for ad valorem tax purposes have failed to show any appreciable increase over the 5 years prior to the findings of such conditions; 2. Deterioration of site or other improvements; and 3. Inadequated and outdated building density patterns.
(b) The notices required by Section 163.346 Florida Statutes have been timely published or mailed in accordance with said statute.
(c) Action must be taken immediately to prevent further blight and deterioration and to protect and enhance public expenditures previously made in the Area.
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« Reply #35 on: September 05, 2011, 01:01:46 PM » |
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Bottom line:
1) This "blight" claim is nonsensical. Beyond absurdity.
2) They will do whatever they want to do, and the people no longer have the authority or willpower to do anything about it.
3) I'll keep knitting in the event I am wrong.
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« Reply #36 on: September 05, 2011, 01:12:04 PM » |
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1. Aggregate assessed values of real property in the area for ad valorem tax purposes have failed to show any appreciable increase over the 5 years prior to the findings of such conditions; 2. Deterioration of site or other improvements; and 3. Inadequated and outdated building density patterns. Isn't THIS legalized corruption? Are those who wrote this not subject to prosecution?
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« Reply #37 on: September 15, 2011, 10:10:15 PM » |
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*Bump*
We will be going out again this weekend to take more pictures. Since there is a claim that things are sliding downhill quickly, we just want to see how fast things are really going downhill.
We actually only want to confirm the "blighted" areas so we know just where that is.
We will also be taking a head count - as in cattle.
CORRUPTION? PLEASE...
LEGALIZED GAMBLING HAS COME TO TOWN. They are betting you don't realize you are being swindled.
More people came out for Chickens. I wonder if they allow CHICKENS in Tradition. I already know they allow asses. IT IS ZONED AGRICULTURAL!!!
If I'm feeling better Monday, I'll be there. Maybe bring an ass with me and tie him to the front door.
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Letter: Port St. Lucie creation of community development district for Southern Groves needs independent probe
September 16, 2011 Harvey Cutler, Port St Lucie
Letter: Port St. Lucie creation of community development district for Southern Groves needs independent probe
Regarding your editorial, "It stinks": Not only does it stink; I believe it's illegal.
Too big to fail? No.
From the dead Core Communities maintains its nefarious influence on Port St Lucie. Same team, same players, different positions.
From the very top: BFC Financial Corp. Controlling company of Core, Levitt Corp., BankAtlantic Bankcorp — all financially or legally in trouble.
Levitt Corp. changed its name to Woodbridge. Levitt and Sons, wholly owned by Levitt Corp., went bankrupt. Core Communities was foreclosed upon. Alan Levan, CEO of BFC, just offered a settlement on a class-action lawsuit for securities fraud. BankAtlantic settled a class-action and was found guilty of violating the Securities and Exchange Act of 1934. Great management team, eh?
Now the latest: Port St Lucie created a community redevelopment district under Florida Statute 163 for Southern Groves, the criteria for which it doesn't meet in any instance. I believe it was a deliberate violation of the Florida statutes.
Why, you might ask? Because the city's back was against the wall. A previous city administration had the audacity to guarantee bonds with taxpayers' money, issued by a private corporation. Back against the wall or not, compounding an issue by allegedly breaking the law is not the answer. When the United States bailed out GM at least they exacted a price. Millions in stock and seats on the board. No such thing here.
This situation needs an independent investigation. Not by a hired consultant, but by the Florida Legislature's Office Of Program Policy Analysis & Government Accountability.
This costs the city nothing. The process requires the direction of a legislative officer or a committee. Because this CDD allegedly violates state law, the state attorney can be brought in.
In my opinion the improprieties and conflicts of interests of previous Port St. Lucie administrations could fill a book. But this one takes the cake and needs to be stopped.
http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2011/sep/16/letter-port-st-lucie-creation-of-community-for/
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« Reply #39 on: September 17, 2011, 03:32:37 PM » |
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in response to Billwagglesword:
Factually the writer is incorrect. To date no CRA for Southern Groves has been approved. It remains under review.Why not directly urge the City Attorney to obtain the independent opinion you seek. Copy in each City Councilor , the City Manager and Assistant City Manager, the SLC Attorney and the state attorney together with TC palm , Stuart News and any other TC outlets you feel deserving.
Well for one thing the city attorney,the city council,the city manager,the assistant city manager all could not care less what the people of PSL want.They are only interested in A,whats in it for themselves,B whats in it for the builders and developers and C what will this do for me when the voters of PSL finally wake up and show me the door.
Now THAT is factually correct! Well said iceman!
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Subsidiaries of BFC Financial Corporation BFC Financial Corporation - Florida BankAtlantic Bancorp, Inc. - Florida Woodbridge Holdings, LLC - Florida Eden Services, Inc. - Florida BFC Securities Corporation - Florida BankAtlantic Financial Ventures II, LLC - Florida I.R.E. Property Analysts, Inc. -Florida I.R.E. Energy 1981, Inc. - Florida Southern National General Corporation - Florida Kingsway Services Inc. - Florida BFC Shared Services Corporation - Florida Risk Management Services, LLC - Florida BFC/CCC, Inc. - Florida Stratstone Financial, LLC - Delaware B-D2 Holdings, LLC - Florida B-DJ Holdings, LLC - Florida B-26 Holdings, LLC - Florida D-2 Acquisition, LLC - Florida
Subsidiaries of BFC/CCC, Inc. Cypress Creek 1515, Inc. - Florida Cypress Creek Capital GP, LLC - Florida CCC East Tampa, LLC - Florida CCC East Kennedy GP, LLC - Florida CCC Real Estate Management, LLC - Florida LAS Trademark, LLC - Florida
Subsidiaries of Stratstone Financial, LLC Stratstone Advisors, LLC - Delaware Stratstone Securities, LLC - Delaware
Subsidiaries of Woodbridge Holdings, LLC Woodbridge Holdings, LLC - Florida Bluegreen Corporation - Massachusetts BankAtlantic Venture Partners 1, LLC - Florida BankAtlantic Venture Partners 2, LLC - Florida BankAtlantic Venture Partners 3, LLC -Florida BankAtlantic Venture Partners 4, LLC - Florida BankAtlantic Venture Partners 7, Inc - Florida BankAtlantic Venture Partners 8, Inc - Florida BankAtlantic Venture Partners 9, Inc - Florida BankAtlantic Venture Partners 10, Inc - Florida BankAtlantic Venture Partners 14, Inc - Florida BankAtlantic Venture Partners 15, Inc - Florida Carolina Oak Homes, LLC - So. Carolina Carolina Oak Homes Realty, LLC - So. Carolina Core Communities, LLC - Florida Cypress Creek Capital Holdings, LLC - Florida Cypress Creek Holding, LLC - Delaware, Florida (as a foreign LLC) Levitt Commercial, LLC - Florida Levitt Insurance Service, LLC - Florida ODI Program GP Corporation - Florida ODI Program Partnership, LLLP - Florida PF Program Partnership, LP -Delaware Snapper Creek Equity Management, LLC - Florida Southern States Lending, LLC - Florida Woodbridge Financial, LLC - Florida PF Program GP LLC - Delaware Woodbridge Executive Incentive Plan 1 LP - Florida Woodbridge Fund I LLC - Florida Woodbridge Overhead Funding LLC - Florida Stratsone Program GP LLC - Delaware Stratstone Program Partnership I LLP - Delaware Levitt Capital Trust I - Delaware Levitt Capital Trust II - Delaware Levitt Capital Trust III - Delaware Levitt Capital Trust IV - Delaware
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Subsidiaries of Core Communities, LLC Core Commercial Group, LLC - Florida Core Commercial Realty, LLC - Florida Core Communities of South Carolina, LLC - So. Carolina Horizons Acquisition 7, LLC - Florida Lake Charles Development Company, LLC - Florida Somerset Realty, LLC - Florida St. Lucie Farms, LLC - Florida Tradition Brewery, LLC - Florida Tradition Construction, LLC - Florida Tradition Outfitters, LLC - Florida Tradition Title Company, LLC - Florida Tradition Village Center, LLC - Florida Core Development Company, LLC - Mississippi Core Asset Advisors, LLC - Florida
Subsidiaries of Core Commercial Group, LLC The Landing Holding Company, LLC - Florida Landing Phase II, LLC - Florida
Subsidiaries of Core Commercial Realty, LLC Tradition Realty, LLC - Florida
Subsidiaries of Tradition Realty, LLC Tradition Referral, LLC - Florida
Subsidiaries of Core Communities of South Carolina, LLC Tradition of South Carolina Commercial Development, LLC - South Carolina Tradition of South Carolina Construction, LLC - South Carolina Tradition of South Carolina Commercial Development Company, LLC - South Carolina Tradition of South Carolina Irrigation Company, LLC - South Carolina Tradition Hilton Head Realty, LLC - South Carolina Tradition of South Carolina Village Center, LLC - South Carolina Tradition National Golf Club, LLC - South Carolina Tradition Hilton Head, LLC - South Carolina
Subsidiaries of The Landing Holding Company, LLC The Landing at Tradition Development Company, LLC - Florida Subsidiaries of Bluegreen Corporation BBCV Receivables-Q 2010, LLC - Delaware Big Cedar JV Interiors, LLC - Delaware Bluegreen Asset Management Corporation - Delaware Bluegreen Beverage, LLC - Delaware Bluegreen/Big Cedar Vacations, LLC - Delaware Bluegreen Communities, LLC - Delaware Bluegreen Communities of Georgia, LLC - Georgia Bluegreen Communities of Georgia Realty, Inc. - Georgia Bluegreen Communities of Texas, LP - Delaware Bluegreen Corporation - Massachusetts Bluegreen Corporation of Tennessee - Delaware Bluegreen Golf Clubs, Inc. - Delaware Bluegreen Guaranty Corporation - Florida Bluegreen Holding Corporation (Texas) - Delaware Bluegreen Interiors, LLC - Delaware Bluegreen Louisiana, LLC - Delaware Bluegreen Nevada, LLC - Delaware Bluegreen New Jersey, LLC - Delaware Bluegreen Properties N.V. - Aruba Bluegreen Properties of Virginia, Inc. - Delaware Bluegreen Purchasing & Design, Inc. - Florida Bluegreen Receivables Finance Corporation III - Delaware Bluegreen Receivables Finance Corporation V - Delaware Bluegreen Receivables Finance Corporation VI - Delaware Bluegreen Receivables Finance Corporation VII - Delaware Bluegreen Receivables Finance Corporation VIII - Delaware Bluegreen Receivables Finance Corporation IX - Delaware Bluegreen Receivables Finance Corporation X - Delaware Bluegreen Receivables Finance Corporation XI - Delaware Bluegreen Receivables Finance Corporation XII - Delaware Bluegreen Resorts International, Inc. - Delaware Bluegreen Resorts of Canada, Inc. - Canada Bluegreen Resorts Management, Inc. - Delaware Bluegreen Servicing LLC - Delaware Bluegreen Southwest Land, Inc. - Delaware Bluegreen Southwest One, L.P. - Delaware Bluegreen Table Rock, LLC - Delaware Bluegreen Timeshare Finance Corporation I - Delaware Bluegreen Treasury Services, LLC - Delaware Bluegreen Vacations Unlimited, Inc. - Florida BRF Corporation 2007-A - Delaware BRFC 2008-A, LLC - Delaware BRFC 2009-A, LLC - Delaware BRFC 2010-A, LLC - Delaware BRFC III Deed Corporation - Delaware BRFC-Q 2010, LLC - Delaware The Bridges Club Management, LLC - Texas Bridges Golf Private Club, Inc. - Texas BXG Construction, LLC - Delaware BXG Legacy 2010, LLC - Delaware BXG Mineral Holdings, LLC - Delaware BXG Realty, Inc. - Delaware BXG Realty Tenn, Inc. - Tennessee Catawba Falls, LLC - North Carolina Colorful Skies, LLC - Delaware The Communities at Havenwood, LLC - Texas The Communities at Lake Ridge, LLC - Texas The Communities at Saddle Creek, LLC - Texas The Communities at Sugar Tree, LLC - Texas Encore Rewards, Inc. - Delaware Family Fun Company, LLC - Delaware Great Vacation Destinations, Inc. - Florida Jordan Lake Preserve Corporation - North Carolina King Oaks, LLC - Delaware King Oaks at College Station, LLC - Texas Lake Ridge Realty, Inc. - Texas Leisure Capital Corporation - Vermont Leisure Communication Network, Inc. - Delaware Leisurepath, Inc. - Florida Managed Assets Corporation - Delaware Mystic Shores at Canyon Lake, LLC - Texas New England Advertising Corporation - Vermont Outdoor Traveler Destinations, LLC - Florida Peachtree Real Estate Advisory Services, LLC - Delaware Pinnacle Vacations, Inc. - Delaware Resort Title Agency, Inc. - Florida SC Holdco, LLC - Delaware Select Connections, LLC - Delaware Sugar Tree on The Brazos, LLC - Delaware Texas Homesite Realty, Inc. - Texas Travelheads, Inc. - Florida The Vineyard at Vintage Oaks, LLC - Texas Vintage Oaks at The Vineyard, LLC - Delaware
Subsidiaries of BankAtlantic Bancorp, Inc. BankAtlantic US BA-HD, LLC - Florida BA-TOL, LLC - Florida ProMotion Sports & Entertainment, LLC - Florida BBC Capital Trust II - Delaware BBC Capital Statutory Trust III - Connecticut BBC Capital Statutory Trust IV - Connecticut BBC Capital Trust V - Connecticut BBC Capital Trust VI - Delaware BBC Capital Statutory Trust VII - Connecticut BBC Capital Trust VIII - Delaware BBC Capital Trust IX - Delaware BBC Capital Statutory Trust X - Connecticut BBC Capital Trust XI - Delaware BBC Capital Trust XII - Delaware BBX Capital Trust 2007 I(A) - Delaware BBX Capital Trust 2007 II(A) - Delaware BankAtlantic Bancorp Partners, Inc. - Florida Risk Services Group, LLC - Florida
Subsidiaries of BankAtlantic Bancorp, Partners Inc. Heartwood Partners 1, LLC - Florida Heartwood Partners 2, LLC - Florida Heartwood Partners 3, LLC - Florida Heartwood Partners 4, LLC - Florida
Subsidiaries of BankAtlantic Banc Servicing Center, LLC - Florida BankAtlantic Factors, LLC - Florida BA Community Development Corporation - Delaware BA Equity Ventures, LLC - Florida BA Financial Services, LLC - Florida BAH Corp. - Delaware BankAtlantic Leasing Inc. - Florida BankAtlantic Mortgage, LLC - Florida BankAtlantic Mortgage Partners, Inc. - Florida Fidelity Service, LLC - Florida Fidelity Tax, LLC - Florida Hammock Homes, LLC - Florida FT Properties, LLC - Florida Heartwood 2, LLC - Florida Heartwood 3, LLC - Florida Heartwood 4, LLC - Florida Heartwood 7, LLC - Florida Heartwood 11, LLC - Florida Heartwood 13, LLC - Florida Heartwood 14, LLC - Florida Heartwood 16, LLC - Florida Heartwood 18, LLC - Florida Heartwood 19, LLC - Florida Heartwood 20, LLC - Florida Heartwood 21, LLC - Florida Heartwood 22, LLC - Florida Heartwood 23, LLC - Florida Heartwood 24, LLC - Florida Heartwood 30, LLC - Florida Heartwood 31, LLC - Florida Heartwood 32, LLC - Florida Heartwood 33, LLC - Florida Heartwood 34, LLC - Florida Heartwood 35, LLC - Florida Heartwood 36, LLC - Florida Heartwood 37, LLC - Florida Heartwood 38, LLC - Florida Heartwood 39, LLC - Florida Heartwood 40, LLC - Florida Heartwood 41, LLC - Florida Heartwood 42, LLC - Florida Heartwood 43, LLC - Florida Heartwood 44, LLC - Florida Heartwood 45, LLC - Florida Heartwood 46, LLC - Florida Heartwood 47, LLC - Florida Heartwood 48, LLC - Florida Heartwood 49, LLC - Florida Heartwood 50, LLC - Florida Heartwood 51, LLC - Florida Heartwood 52, LLC - Florida Heartwood 53, LLC - Florida Heartwood 54, LLC - Florida Heartwood 55, LLC - Florida Heartwood 56, LLC - Florida Heartwood 57, LLC -Florida Heartwood 58, LLC - Florida Heartwood 59, LLC - Florida Heartwood 60, LLC - Florida Heartwood 61, LLC - Florida Heartwood 62, LLC - Florida Heartwood 63, LLC - Florida Heartwood 64, LLC - Florida Heartwood 65, LLC - Florida Heartwood 66, LLC - Florida Heartwood 67, LLC - Florida Heartwood 68, LLC - Florida Heartwood 69, LLC - Florida Heartwood 70, LLC - Florida Heartwood 71, LLC - Florida Heartwood 72, LLC - Florida Heartwood 73, LLC - Florida Heartwood 74, LLC - Florida Heartwood 75, LLC - Florida Heartwood 76, LLC - Florida Heartwood 77, LLC - Florida Heartwood 78, LLC - Florida Heartwood 79, LLC - Florida Heartwood 80, LLC - Florida Heartwood 81, LLC - Florida Heartwood 82, LLC - Florida Heartwood 83, LLC - Florida Heartwood 84, LLC - Florida Heartwood 85, LLC - Florida Heartwood 86, LLC - Florida Heartwood 87, LLC - Florida Heartwood 88, LLC - Florida Heartwood 90, LLC - Florida Heartwood 91, LLC - Florida Heartwood 91-1, LLC - Florida Heartwood 91-2, LLC - Florida Heartwood 91-3, LLC - Florida Heartwood 91-4, LLC - Florida Heartwood 92, LLC - Florida Heartwood 93, LLC - Florida Heartwood 94, LLC - Florida Heartwood 95, LLC - Florida Heartwood 96, LLC - Florida Heartwood 97, LLC - Florida Heartwood 98, LLC - Florida Heartwood 99, LLC - Florida Heartwood 100, LLC - Florida Heartwood 101, LLC - Florida Heartwood 102, LLC - Florida Heartwood 103, LLC - Florida Heartwood 104, LLC - Florida Heartwood 105, LLC - Florida Heartwood 106, LLC - Florida Heartwood 107, LLC - Florida Heartwood 108, LLC - Florida Heartwood 109, LLC - Florida Heartwood 110, LLC - Florida Heartwood 111, LLC - Florida Sunrise Atlantic, LLC - Florida Palm River Development Co., Inc. - Florida Palm River Realty, Inc. - Florida Professional Valuation Services, LLC - Florida Heartwood Holdings, Inc. - Florida Leasing Technology, Inc. - Florida
Subsidiaries of BA Equity Ventures, LLC BA-GR, LLC - Florida BA-SL, LLC - Florida
Subsidiaries of Palm River Development Co., Inc. River Club of Vero Beach, LLC - Florida
http://sec.edgar-online.com/bfc-financial-corp/10-k-annual-report/2011/04/08/section38.aspx
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« Reply #41 on: September 17, 2011, 09:08:46 PM » |
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Took a ride today. Spent a couple of hours in Tradition. Funny thing, we didn't spot any cows this time, no dilapated buildings, certainly nothing that was "blighted" along Community Blvd.
There are no roads deteriorating, no cracking, no weeds spouting through them, or anything of that nature. (Come visit my road - it is quite a different story!)
I do have one question. Who paid for all of the pedestrian lighting along Village Parkway through Tradition to match the pedestrian lighting on Crosstown Parkway?
I am convinced that this area should NOT BE DECLARED A CRA.
I wonder how all of the other citizens of our county feel about supporting this boondoggle in the making.
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« Reply #42 on: September 18, 2011, 09:23:19 AM » |
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Who paid for all of the pedestrian lighting along Village Parkway through Tradition to match the pedestrian lighting on Crosstown Parkway?
Besides the taxpayer, what are the choices? My biggest "you're kidding me, right?" moment comes every time I see this justification clause from our "BIG city" leaders: 1. Aggregate assessed values of real property in the area for ad valorem tax purposes have failed to show any appreciable increase over the 5 years prior to the findings of such conditions;and I keep thinking, that used to be a good rationale back when an area meeting this definition STOOD OUT in comparison to its surroundings, which were always appreciating in value. It is no longer an exception to the rule, it IS the rule! The more I read, the more the phrase "legalized corruption" starts to sound about right. Port St. Lucie logic makes sense once you fall down the rabbit hole.
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« Reply #43 on: September 19, 2011, 09:19:07 PM » |
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Decided to put the parcels in this topic as well being they coincide with the pictorial of the Southern Grove area.
A CLOSER LOOK AT AN EXCERPT OF 2011 RECORDS... (page 6 of back-up document) http://psl.granicus.com/MetaViewer.php?view_id=6&event_id=467&meta_id=67145
Property within the Southern Grove CRA Proposal area
Parcel ID: 431550000030005 - Tradition Commercial Ass. - R/W ST RDS (land use) http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=431550000030005 (4.47 acres) Southern Grove Plat #4 Open Space Tract 1 (Abuts Mann RC, Martin Memorial Acquistion, City of Port St Lucie, Oregon Health / Science University and Tradition Research parcels)
Parcel ID: 431550000040002 - Horizons St Lucie Dev LLC - RVRS LKS (land use) http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=431550000040002 (27.31 acres) Southern Grove Plat #4 Water Mgmt Tract 1
Parcel ID: 431550000140005 - City of Port St Lucie - OFFC BLDG (land use) [Torrey Pines] http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=431550000140005 (20 acres) Southern Grove Plat #4 Parcel 6 (Abuts Mann RC & Oregon Health/Science University parcel)
Parcel ID: 431550000050009 - Horizons St Lucie Dev LLC - RVRS LKS (land use) http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=431550000050009 (18.17 acres) Southern Grove Plat #4
Parcel ID: 431550200080006 - Oregon Health/Science University - Vacant Commercial (land use) http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=431550200080006 (8 acres) Southern Grove Plat #8 Parcel 4 (Abuts City of Port St Lucie & Horizons St Lucie Dev LLC parcel) (lake)
Parcel ID: 431550200090003 - Tradition Research Park LLC - GRZNG SLD CP (land use) http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=431550200090003 (ag credit) 7.85 acres Southern Grove Plat #8 Parcel 5 (Ag credit $202,312) (Abuts Oregon Health/Science University & Horizons St Lucie Dev II parcel)
Parcel ID: 431550200100003 - Tradition Research Park LLC - GRZNG SLD CP (land use) http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=431550200100003 (21.81 acres) Southern Grove Plat #8 Parcel 6 (Ag credit $539,252) (Abuts Horizons St Lucie Dev II - parcel parallel to I-95)
Parcel ID: 431570000010005 - City of Port St Lucie - Municipal Property (land use) http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=431570000010005 (0.5 acres) Southern Grove Plat #3 Utility site 1 (Community Blvd) (Across from Riverland/Kennedy parcel)
Parcel ID: 431570000020002 - City of Port St Lucie - Municipal Property (land use) http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=431570000020002 (0.5 acres) Southern Grove Plat #3 Utility site 2 (Village Pky) (Across from VGTI - Discovery Blvd) ----------- Parcel ID: 431550100020001 - Tradition Commercial Assn Inc - POA (land use) http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=431550100020001 (1.23 acres) Southern Grove Plat #6 Open Space Tract 1 (Abuts Westchester CDD 1 & Southern Grove CDD parcels)
Parcel ID: 431550100030008 - Southern Grove CDD - POA (land use) http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=431550100030008 (3.74 acres) Southern Grove Plat #6 Water Mgmt Tract 2-A (Abuts St Lucie Hospitality/Tradition & Tradition Commercial Assn Inc Parcel)
Parcel ID: 431550000050009 - Horizons St Lucie Dev LLC - RVRS LKS (land use) http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=431550000050009 (18.17 acres) Southern Grove Plat #4 Water Mgmt Tract 2
Parcel ID: 431550100050002 - St Lucie Hospitality/Tradition - HTLS MTLS (land use) http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=431550100050002 (13.45 acres) Southern Grove Plat #6 Parcel 9-A
Parcel ID: 431550100010004 - Tradition Commercial Assn Inc - R/W ST RDS (land use) http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=431550100010004 (2.44 acres) Southern Grove Plat #6 Tract PR-1 (Roadway dividing Mann & St Lucie Hospitality/Tradition parcels)
Parcel ID: 431550100040005 - Martin Memorial Acquisitions - Vacant Commercial (land use) http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=431550100040005 (20 acres) Southern Grove Plat #6 Parcel 8-A (Abuts Mann RC, Tradition Comercial Assn Inc, St Lucie Hospitality and Horizons St Lucie Dev LLC parcels)
Parcel ID: 431550000150002 - Mann RC LLC - Vacant Commercial (land use) http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=431550000150002 (22.34 acres) Southern Grove Plat #4 Parcel 7 (Abuts Tradition Commercial Assn Inc, City of Port St Lucie and Martin Memorial Acquisition parcels)
Parcel ID: 431550000090007 - Horizons St Lucie Dev LLC - GRZNG SLD CP (land use) http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=431550000090007 (71.54 acres) Southern Grove Plat #4 Parcel 2 (Ag credit $1,910,225) (Abuts Community Blvd, Tradition Pkwy, Village Blvd - across from Southern Grove CDD parcel)
Parcel ID: 431550000100007 - Horizons St Lucie Dev LLC - GRZNG SLD CP (land use) http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=431550000100007 (33.72 acres) Southern Grove Plat #4 Parcel 3 (Ag credit $900,324) (Abuts Horizons St Lucie Dev LLC, Community Blvd and Village Pkwy - across from Mann RC)
Parcel ID: 431550000110004 - Grande Palms At Tradition II - GRZNG SLD CP (land use) http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=431550000110004 (20 acres) Southern Grove Plat #4 Parcel 4 (Ag credit $534,028) (Abuts Horizons St Lucie Dev LLC, Community Blvd & Village Pkwy - across from City of Port St Lucie parcel abutting Mann RC)
Parcel ID: 431550000120001 - Grande Palms At Tradition I - GRZNG SLD CP (land use) http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=431550000120001 (20 acres) Southern Grove Plat #4 Parcel 4A (Ag credit $534,000) (Abuts Grande Palms at Tradition II, Community Blvd & Village Pkwy - across from City of Port St Lucie parcel abutting Mann and Oregon Health/Science University parcel)
Parcel ID: 431550200050005 - Horizons St Lucie Dev LLC - GRZNG SLD CP (land use) http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=431550200050005 (1.39 acres) Southern Grove Plat #8 Parcel 1 (Ag credit $37,113) (Abuts City of Port St Lucie, Horizons St Lucie Dev LLC, Village Pkwy near Tract 2)
Parcel ID: 431550200060002 - Horizons St Lucie Dev LLC - GRZNG SLD CP (land use) http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=431550200060002 (1.61 acres) Southern Grove Plat #8 Parcel 2 (Ag credit $47,012) (Abuts Horizons St Lucie Dev LLC, Village Pkwy and Discovery Way)
Parcel ID: 431550200070009 - Horizons St Lucie Dev LLC - GRZNG SLD CP (land use) http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=431550200070009 (5.26 acres) Southern Grove Plat #8 Parcel 3 (Ag credit $127,292) (Abuts Horizons St Lucie Dev LLC, City of Port St Lucie, Oregon Health/Science University and Discovery Way)
Parcel ID: 431570000270106 - Horizons St Lucie Dev LLC - GRZNG SLD CP (land use) http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=431570000270106 (18.01 acres) Southern Grove Plat #3 Part of Parcel 29 corner of Parcel 26 (Ag credit $273,813) (Sliver of land that abuts Discovery Way and Tradition Research Park - across from VGTI)
Parcel ID: 431550200030001 - Horizons St Lucie Dev LLC - GRZNG SLD CP (land use) http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=431550200030001 (9.61 acres) Southern Grove Plat #8 Water Management Tract No 1 (Ag credit $237,607) (Abuts Oregon Health/Science University, Traditon Commercial Assn Inc & Tradition Research Park near Discovery Way)
Parcel ID: 431570000030009 - City of Port St Lucie - Mncpal Prop (land use) http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=431570000030009 (0.5 acres) Southern Grove Plat #3 Utility site 3A (within Horizons St Lucie Dev LLC sliver of land that abuts Discover Way and Tradition Research Park)
Parcel ID: 431550200020004 - Tradition Commercial Assn Inc - UNCLSFD ACRG (land use) http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=431550200020004 (0.18 acres) Southern Grove Plat #8 Open Space Tract No. 2 (Abuts Tradition Research Park & Horizons St Lucie Dev LLC parallel to I-95)
Parcel ID: 431550200040008 - Horizons St Lucie Dev LLC - RVRS LKS (land use) http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=431550200040008 (0.18 acres) Southern Grove Plat #8 Water Management Tract No. 2 (Abuts Tradition Research Park, Tradition Commercial Assn Inc & Horizons St Lucie Dev LLC - parallel to I-95)
Parcel ID: 431570000250009 - PSL Acquisitions I LLC - GRZNG SLD CP (land use) http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=431570000250009 (134.71 acres) Southern Grove Plat #3 Parcel 24 (Ag credit $2,047,592) (Abuts Riverland/Kennedy parcel, Discovery Way, Village Pkwy)
Parcel ID: 431550000060006 - Horizons St Lucie Dev LLC - UNCLSFD ACRG (land use) http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=431550000060006 (0.94 acres) Southern Grove Plat #4 Conservation Tract 10 (Abuts Horizons St Lucie Dev LLC, TownPark Master Assn Inc - near Community Blvd and Minto TownPark)
Parcel ID: 431550000080000 - Horizons St Lucie Dev LLC - GRZNG SLD CP (land use) http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=431550000080000 (60.6 acres) Southern Grove Plat #4 Parcel 1 (Ag credit $1,618,020) (Abuts TownPark Master Assn Inc, Community Blvd & Horizons St Lucie Dev LLC)
Parcel ID: 431550000070003 - Horizons St Lucie Dev LLC - UNCLSFD ACRG (land use) http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=431550000070003 (5.06 acres) Southern Grove Plat #4 Conservation Tract 21 (Abuts Westchester CDD 1, Horizons St Lucie Dev LLC along Community Blvd, City of Port St Lucie Parcel)
Parcel ID: 431570000270003 - PSL Acquisitions I LLC - GRZNG SLD CP (land use) http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=431570000270003 (464.8 acres) Southern Grove Plat #3 Parcel 26 (Ag credit $70,650,666) (Abuts Village Pkwy - borders along I-95)
Parcel ID: 431570000080004 - Tradition Community Assn Inc - WASTELAND (land use) http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=431570000080004 (0.86 acres) Southern Grove Plat #3 Conservation Tract 4 (Parcel within Southern Grove Plat #3 Parcel 26 - PSL Acquisition I LLC)
Parcel ID: 431570000090001 - Tradition Community Assn Inc - WASTELAND (land use) http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=431570000090001 (0.58 acres) Southern Grove Plat #3 Conservation Tract 5 (Parcel within Southern Grove Plat #3 Parcel 26 - PSL Acquisition I LLC)
Parcel ID: 431570000040006 - Port St Lucie - Mncpal Prop (land use) http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=431570000040006 (0.5 acres) Southern Grove Plat #3 Utility Site 4 (Parcel within Southern Grove Plat #3 Parcel 26 - PSL Acquisition I LLC)
Parcel ID: 431570000260006 - PSL Acquisitions I LLC - GRZNG SLD CP (land use) http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=431570000260006 (228.24 acres) Southern Grove Plat #3 Parcel 25 (Ag credit $3,469,248) (Abuts Riverland/Kennedy parcel, Village Pkwy across from Southern Grove Plat #3 Parcel 26)
Parcel ID: 431570000190004 - Tradition Community Assn Inc - WASTELAND (land use) http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=431570000190004 (32.4 acres) Southern Grove Plat #3 Conservation Tract 15 (Within Southern Grove Plat #3 Parcel 25 - between Riverland/Kennedy parcel & Community Blvd)
Parcel ID: 431570000180007 - Tradition Community Assn Inc - WASTELAND (land use) http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=431570000180007 (5.65 acres) Southern Grove Plat #3 Conservation Tract 14 (Within Southern Grove Plat #3 Parcel 25 - between Riverland/Kennedy parcel & Community Blvd near Southern Grove Plat #3 Parcel 25 Conservation Tract 15)
Parcel ID: 431570000060000 - City of Port St Lucie - Mncpal Prop (land use) http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=431570000060000 (0.5 acres) Southern Grove Plat #3 Utility Site 6 (Within Southern Grove Plat #3 Parcel 25 - between Riverland/Kennedy parcel & Community Blvd)
Parcel ID: 431570000340005 - PSL Acquisitions I LLC - GRZNG SLD CP (land use) http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=431570000340005 (413.46 acres) Southern Grove Plat #4 Parcel 31 (Ag credit $6,284,592) (Abuts Village Pkwy - below Southern Grove Plat #3 Parcel 26 near Utility Site 4)
Parcel ID: 431570000120005 - Tradition Community Assn Inc - WASTELAND (land use) http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=431570000120005 (1.84 acres) Southern Grove Plat #3 Conservation Tract 8 (Near Riverland/Kennedy parcel)
Parcel ID: 431532300030002 - City of Port St Lucie - R/W ST RDS (land use) http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=431532300030002 (25.58 acres) (Parallel to Riverland/Kennedy parcel)
Parcel ID: 431532300010008 - City of Port St Lucie - R/W ST RDS (land use) http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=431532300010008 (25.2 acres) (Parallel to Riverland/Kennedy parcel)
Parcel ID: 431570000290007 - PSL Acquisitions I LLC - GRZNG SLD CP (land use) http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=431570000290007 (361.03 acres) Southern Grove Plat #3 Parcel 27 (Ag credit $5,487,656) (Land between Riverland/Kennedy and Village Pkwy)
Parcel ID: 431570000220008 - Tradition Community Assn Inc - WASTELAND (land use) http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=431570000220008 (37.31 acres) Southern Grove Plat #3 Conservation Tract 17 (Within parcel Southern Grove Plat #3 Parcel 27)
Parcel ID: 431570000200004 - Tradition Community Assn Inc - WASTELAND (land use) http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=431570000200004 (48.07 acres) Southern Grove Plat #3 Conservation Tract 16
Parcel ID: 431570000290007 - PSL Acquisitions I LLC - GRZNG SLD CP (land use) http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=431570000290007 (361.03 acres) Southern Grove Plat #3 Parcel 27 (Ag credit $5,487,656)
Parcel ID: 431570000110008 - Tradition Community Assn Inc - WASTELANDS (land use) http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=431570000110008 (0.83 acres) Southern Grove Plat #3 Conservation Tract 7
Parcel ID: 431570000140009 - Tradition Community Assn Inc - WASTELANDS (land use) http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=431570000140009 (1.02 acres) Southern Grove Plat #3 Conservation Tract 10
Parcel ID: 431570000150006 - Tradition Community Assn Inc - WASTELANDS (land use) http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=431570000150006 (0.71 acres) Southern Grove Plat #3 Conservation Tract 11
Parcel ID: 431570000230005 - Tradition Community Assn Inc - WASTELANDS (land use) http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=431570000230005 (25 acres) Southern Grove Plat #3 Conservation Tract 18
Parcel ID: 431570000210001 - Tradition Community Assn Inc - WASTELANDS (land use) http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=431570000210001 (2.3 acres) Southern Grove Plat #3 Conservation Tract 16A
Parcel ID: 431570000300007 - PSL Acquisitions I LLC - ORCHRD GRV (land use) http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=431570000300007 (440.68 acres) Southern Grove Plat #3 Parcel 28 (Ag credit $6,698,336)
Parcel ID: 431570000340005 - PSL Acquisitions I LLC - GRZNG SLD CP (land use) http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=431570000340005 (413.46 acres) Southern Grove Plat #3 Parcel 31 (Ag credit $6,284,592)
Parcel ID: 431570000330008 - PSL Acquisitions I LLC - GRZNG SLD CP (land use) http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=431570000330008 (298.37 acres) Southern Grove Plat #3 Parcel 30 (Ag credit $4,535,224)
Parcel ID: 431570000170000 - Tradition Community Assn Inc - WASTELANDS (land use) http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=431570000170000 (3.97 acres) Southern Grove Plat #3 Conservation Tract 13
Parcel ID: 431570000320001 - PSL Acquisitions I LLC - GRZNG SLD CP (land use) http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=431570000320001 (387.68 acres) Southern Grove Plat #3 Parcel 29 (Ag credit $5,892,736)
Parcel ID: 431570000310004 - PSL Acquisitions I LLC - GRZNG SLD CP (land use) http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=431570000310004 (5.0 acres) Southern Grove Plat #3 Parcel 28A (Ag credit $76,000)
Parcel ID: 433433300010008 - South FLA Water Mgmt Dist - R/W ST RDS (land use) http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=433433300010008 (47.63 acres)
Parcel ID: 433333300010005 - South FLA Water Mgmt Dist - R/W ST RDS (land use) http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=433333300010005 (48.84 acres) (Abuts Riverland/Kennedy)
Parcel ID: 431570000160003 - Tradition Community Assn Inc - WASTELANDS (land use) http://www.paslc.org/prc.asp?prclid=431570000160003 (41.3 acres) Southern Grove Plat #3 Conservation Tract 12
*** Notice the WASTELANDS are conveniently CONSERVATION TRACTS. ***
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« Reply #44 on: September 21, 2011, 08:15:47 AM » |
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The Southern Grove CRA Proposal is only the beginning -- it opens the door for CRA extension into the Riverland/Kennedy and Wilson Grove area.
THE SOUTHWEST PROJECT
Roadway The Southwest Project consists of the construction of roadway, potable water, wastewater and stormwater improvements, as described below, within the benefit of properties within the Southwest Annexation SAD No. 1 (the "Southwest Project")
Contribution of $38,500,000 to the construction for the Becker Interchange at I-95 Contribution of $5,100,000 to the construction for the Tradition/Gatlin Boulevard Interchange at I-95 modifications project, including the expansion from four to six lanes and the FDOT approval.
Wastewater Contribution of $2.268,878 to the construction costs of a new Glades Wastewater Repump Station The design, construction of 16" wastewater force main along Village Pkwy from Tradition Blvd o Becker Rd. The design, construction of a triple lift station, collection system to serve Southern Grove Development Plat #4
The estimated total capital cost of the Southwest Project being funded by the proceeds of the Southwest Assessment Bonds, the City is making a substantial investment in capital projects which will benefit the Development. Included among the capital projects which the City has contracted for are approximately $7 million in improvements for the Becker Interchange at I-95, approximately $5 million in improvements for the Tradition/Gatlin Interchange at I-95, more than $2 million in potable water system improvements and a $40 million investment in the Torrey Pines Facility.
THE DEVELOPMENT The Southwest Project will provide a majority of the infrastructure for the 3,606 acre Southern Grove Development of Regional Impact (the "Development"), which comprises a portion of the Tradition Florida master-planned community and projected to be constructed over a 25 year period. The early stages of the Development will be primarily commercial in nature. The Development, which is the second phase of the Tradition Florida master-planned community, is the only portion of the Tradition Florida master-planned community subject to assessments of the Southwest Annexation SAD No. 1. The Tradition DRI, Southern Grove DRI and Western Grove DRI make up the three phases of the Tradition Florida master-planned community. The Development features a center for a burgeoning life sciences cluster that includes the Torrey Pines Institute for Molecular Studies (the "Torrey Pines Facility"), the Florida Center for Innovation and a proposed Martin Memorial Health Systems hospital, which recently received Certificate of Need approval from the State of Florida. This location offers optimal opportunities for scientific collaboration and clinical trials. Also in close proximity, including 250 acres controlled by the City of Port St Lucie, which could easily accomodate over 5.4 million square feet of associated industries.
The Development was annexed into the City in 2004 and the Development Order (DO) was approved by the City in September of 2006.
http://emma.msrb.org/MS265820-MS241128-MD470727.pdf
More bonds will be issued in the foreseeable future. What lender in their right mind is going to welcome these guys with open arms when it comes to obtaining funds? What are they going to use as collateral, besides the backs of every taxpayer? The vast majority of the land in the Southern Grove area falls under the agricultural category. The acreage consists of WASTELAND, MNCPL PROP, GRZNG SLD CP, UNCLSSFD, R/W ST RDS, POA and a few VACANT COMMERCIAL parcels. The Property Appraiser is being awfully generous with the Ag Credits. For the area being awfully "blighted" it certainly appears that the parcels are receiving in Ag Credits close to the amount that Core Communities a/k/a New Horizons St Lucie had invested per acre in purchasing the land.
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« Reply #45 on: September 21, 2011, 10:24:51 AM » |
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RESOLUTION 07-R94 A RESOLUTION SUPPLEMENTING ORDINANCE 07-75 OF THE CITY OF PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA, ENACTED ON JUNE 11, 2007, AS AMENDED, WHICH AUTHORIZED THE ISSUANCE OF SPECIAL ASSESSMENT BONDS, SERIES 2007B (SOUTHWEST ANNEXATION SPECIAL ASSESSMENT DISTRICT), IN THE PRINCIPAL AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEEDING $250,000,000; PROVIDING FOR THE ISSUANCE OF THE FIRST SERIES OF SPECIAL ASSESSMENT BONDS IN A PRINCIPAL AMOUNT OF NOT EXCEEDING $155,000,000 SPECIAL ASSESSMENT BONDS, SERIES 2007B (SOUTHWEST ANNEXATION SPECIAL ASSESSMENT DISTRICT NO. 1); PROVIDING FOR THE SALE OF THE BONDS AT NEGOTIATED SALE; AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO DETERMINE DETAILS OF THE BONDS AND APPROVING THE FORM AND AUTHORIZING THE EXECUTION AND DELIVERY OF A BOND PURCHASE AGREEMENT WITH RESPECT TO THE BONDS; APPROVING THE FORM AND AUTHORIZING THE DISTRIBUTION OF A PRELIMINARY LIMITED OFFERING MEMORANDUM AND THE EXECUTION AND DELIVER OF A LIMITED OFFERING MEMORANDUM; AUTHORIZING THE EXECUTION OF THE BONDS AND OF CERTIFICATES AND OTHER DOCUMENTS NECESSARY TO THE DELIVERY OF THE BONDS; ESTABLISHING THE BOOK-ENTRY SYSTEM PROVISIONS FOR THE BONDS; APPOINTING A BOND REGISTRAR AND PAYING AGENT; APPROVING THE FORM AND AUTHORIZING THE EXECUTION AND DELIVERY OF A BOND REGISTRAR AND PAYING AGENT AGREEMENT; PROVIDING FOR THE APPLICATION OF THE PROCEEDS OF THE BONDS; APPROVING THE FORM AND AUTHORIZING THE EXECUTION AND DELIVERY OF A TRUE-UP AGREEMENT; AUTHORIZING THE TAKING OF ALL OTHER ACTION AND THE EXECUTION OF ALL OTHER AGREEMENTS AND DOCUMENTS NECESSARY TO THE DELIVERY OF THE BONDS; AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
BE IT RESOLVED BY THE COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA: http://emma.msrb.org/MS265820-MS241128-MD470727.pdf (pg 265-277)
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« Reply #46 on: September 21, 2011, 05:59:14 PM » |
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Ahhh this brings back the days when we were wealthy and could afford to spend lavishly. Wine women and song was our motto! What the hell were they thinking???? 
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« Reply #47 on: September 21, 2011, 08:02:08 PM » |
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Ahhh this brings back the days when we were wealthy and could afford to spend lavishly. Wine women and song was our motto! What the hell were they thinking????  I'm thinking, they are still thinking, there is another $94 million +/- to be issued from that bond! Just saying.......
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When I get older, I don't want people thinking "What a nice old lady." I want 'em saying "Oh crap! What's she up to now?"
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« Reply #48 on: October 13, 2011, 06:25:38 AM » |
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There are two meetings scheduled for this upcoming Monday, October 17, 2011.
GOVERNMENTAL FINANCE CORPORATION meeting @ 1:45pm (immediately following Board of Zoning Appeal meeting @ 1:30pm) SPECIAL CITY COUNCIL meeting @ 2pm (immediately following Governmental Finance Corporation meeting @ 1:45pm)
Will be interesting to see if the Southern Grove CRA Proposal is any part of the agenda.
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« Reply #49 on: October 13, 2011, 08:29:28 AM » |
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I took another leisurely drive around the proposed CRA zone yesterday, and NOTHING has changed. Couldn't even find one cow grazing. Did see some utility workers yesterday and could easily pick out the supervisors! lol
But, the "use it or lose it" aspect of this? And that things were "quickly deteriorating within the Grove?" NAH. I just don't see it, but I do see where the kids have been street racing.
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When I get older, I don't want people thinking "What a nice old lady." I want 'em saying "Oh crap! What's she up to now?"
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